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[[ふじこ]] * IWESEP2010 [#r79a5577] #contents IWESEP2010~ International Workshop on Empirical Software Engineering in Practice~ [[http://iwesep.wordpress.com/:http://iwesep.wordpress.com/]]~ ~ - Paper Submission: October 11, 2010 - Acceptance Notification: November 8, 2010 - Camera Ready Copy: November 22, 2010 ~ タイトル:An Analysis of Committers Activities in the Patch Review Process of OSS Development~ 原稿:&attachref(IWESEP_paper_提出版.pdf);~ ** 予定 [#b4efb562] - 原稿 -- 10/11原稿提出 * 査読結果 [#n87e29b1] rejected ---------------------------- REVIEW 1 -------------------------- - Reviewer 1 In this paper, the authors look at the process by which patches are editted and reviewed before being accepted into an OSS project or rejected. They measure the rate that different groups edit and review patches and the time taken to review and edit patches. Unfortunately, there are a number of major flaws with the paper that make it unsuitable for publication in it's current form. I have no doubt, however, that if changes are made (and I'm including my suggestions here), a revision of this paper would be of publication quality. My biggest problem with this work is that is omits two important prior studies on the subject. Rigby et al published a very in depth study on the patch review process in Apache at ICSE 2008. Bird et al published a study that examined what factors influence someone becoming a core developer (two of the factors examined were patch submission and acceptance), which examined a number of OSS projects and include PostgreSQL. The fact that there is great overlap in the goal of these studies and that they are neither discussed nor do the authors indicate what differentiates their study from prior studies is a large point against this paper. The authors make a number of claims that are either incorrect or unsubstantiated and do not provide references. For instance, they claim that increasing committers speeds up development because they can bypass review and commit directly to the project repository. In a number of OSS projects, this is incorrect. Most OSS projects, still review and discuss almost all changes even if they are made by core developers. Rigby's paper has an in-depth discussion of this phenomenon. The authors also claim that normally, a developer is selected as a committer through nomination as a result of admirable contributions. This is correct, but a reference should be cited. One prime example of a good supporting reference would be Nicholas Duchenaut's ethnograhic study of the python project. The authors say that it has not been easy to elect an appropriate deveoper as a committer from a number of developers. Is this true? What evidence is this based on? If this is an informed guess, then the author's should state that. The fifth paragraph of section 6 includes a claim that NPR, NPR, PRT, and PET have to be evaluated to select a committer depending on the state of the project and/or product properties. Why? The author's have shown that there is a difference between the two, but they have not examined anything about how committers are selected. In the sixth paragraph, the authors claim that the restricted number of committers is unique to PostgreSQL as opposed to other projects. I've seen many projects that limit committers. There is no reference given or even examples of projects that don't restrict committers. I *LOVED* figure 1. This is a wonderful depiction of the patch submission and review process and the terms used in the paper. Good job. The only thing I'd add is the acronyms PRT and PET since they are depicted and used in the paper, but do not appear on the figure. The data collection is short on details. How were the patches collected? In my experience, I've found that sometimes patches are attached to messages and sometimes inlined in the text of a message. Did the authors get both types of patches? Did they use heuristics? How was this done. The authors also only selected developers who had reviewed or edited patches at least 5 times. I can imagine why, but it would be useful to *explain* to the reader why this was done and why the number 5 was chosen as the threshold. In section 5.2.3, the committers are classified using "criteria". As a reader, I am left only to speculate what that criteria is. This needs to be explained. The term criteria is mysteriously also used in the third paragraph of section 6. What does it mean in this context? I applaud the use of the Mann-Whitney test for examining the data. A t-test would be inappropriate because it is clearly right skewed. However, the author's should both explain why they used that test and also give a reference so that those readers less familiar with non-parametric statistics can understand what is going on. I found the results in section 5 to be interesting, but their presentation suffered some problems. The four paragraphs in section 5.2.1 are simply copies of each other with names and numbers changed. That's not useful, and almost disrespectful to the reader. I rarely harp on the writing itself unless it is unclear, but I feel that in this case, the authors should be more concise and possibly discuss the implications of each result. A simple table could present the data in those paragraphs more succinctly in be more easy to reference. Lastly, the authors claim that the analysis in this paper was performed to improve the patch review process in OSS. They haven't shown how their results improve this process. From the results, we know some more about the relationship of timing in subsmission and review with roles within the project. I would stay away from making bold claims without the evidence to back them up. The major flaws of unsubstantiated claims, important missed related work, missing important details, and the minor flaw of some presentation issues need to be addressed before this paper is accepted for publication. ---------------------------- REVIEW 2 -------------------------- - Reviewer 2 The paper presents a study of the patch review process in PostgreSQL. More specifically, it compares the characteristics of committers and non-committers with respect to time it take to review patches, revise patches, and number of reviews per month. The findings are interesting and the novelty is fine for a workshop. The paper could be improved by better relating to other work on patch review (for example by Peter Rigby and colleagues, ICSE 2008, Technical Reports, etc.). To some extent the findings also reflect that most OSS has a small core team, which drives the development and takes contributions from outside. Abstract: Write "number of patch reviews" instead of "NPR" Introduction: The authors write "In general, the modifications to fix existing bugs are carried out as follows". However, there many unique ways to fix bugs and even in open-source I would argue that there is no general way. Section 2: Do all emails about patches get responses? (This is also relevant for the analysis in Section 4.) Section 5.2.3, last paragraph: The paper writes by observing Figure 6 that "Therefore almost [all] committers tend to review and edit patches more than non-committers". Maybe I misunderstood something, but isn't this in contrast to Figure 4, which shows more reviews/edits for non-committers? ---------------------------- REVIEW 3 -------------------------- - Reviewer 3 This paper studies the differences between committer and non-committer in open-source software development. It provides a case study of ProgreSQL for finding the differences based on times and frequencies for reviewing and editing patches. Overall, I liked the idea and it has the potential to be of a great value for OSS developers. However, the setup of the case study weakens the work presented in this paper. I have some points: The authors state one of the motivations for clarifying the differences between committers and non-committers is for supporting the nomination of new committers. However, as also mentioned by the authors, the role of committers and non-committers is different; the differences may be resulted from the roles themselves. This fact becomes stronger for projects having superreviewers (the 2nd-round reviewers). To be more precise this, I think the data of non-committers should be compared with ones of committers _before_ they were promoted to committer. I want it will conclude the same; the work of committers is also great when they didn't have the commit permission. Nevertheless, clarifications are important. The explanation of the patch review process in Section 2 lacks the generality of the process. Of course, it fits some OSS projects including PostgreSQL. But I can easily imagine some possible variability such as: superreviews, testing or reproductions of bugs by developers/users, rejections, and of course, deep discussions. The author should discuss which tasks are important for their aim and the build the process model. Minor points: --- The definitions of committer and non-committer are redundant. * 備考・その他 [#pc140a03] #comment
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[[ふじこ]] * IWESEP2010 [#r79a5577] #contents IWESEP2010~ International Workshop on Empirical Software Engineering in Practice~ [[http://iwesep.wordpress.com/:http://iwesep.wordpress.com/]]~ ~ - Paper Submission: October 11, 2010 - Acceptance Notification: November 8, 2010 - Camera Ready Copy: November 22, 2010 ~ タイトル:An Analysis of Committers Activities in the Patch Review Process of OSS Development~ 原稿:&attachref(IWESEP_paper_提出版.pdf);~ ** 予定 [#b4efb562] - 原稿 -- 10/11原稿提出 * 査読結果 [#n87e29b1] rejected ---------------------------- REVIEW 1 -------------------------- - Reviewer 1 In this paper, the authors look at the process by which patches are editted and reviewed before being accepted into an OSS project or rejected. They measure the rate that different groups edit and review patches and the time taken to review and edit patches. Unfortunately, there are a number of major flaws with the paper that make it unsuitable for publication in it's current form. I have no doubt, however, that if changes are made (and I'm including my suggestions here), a revision of this paper would be of publication quality. My biggest problem with this work is that is omits two important prior studies on the subject. Rigby et al published a very in depth study on the patch review process in Apache at ICSE 2008. Bird et al published a study that examined what factors influence someone becoming a core developer (two of the factors examined were patch submission and acceptance), which examined a number of OSS projects and include PostgreSQL. The fact that there is great overlap in the goal of these studies and that they are neither discussed nor do the authors indicate what differentiates their study from prior studies is a large point against this paper. The authors make a number of claims that are either incorrect or unsubstantiated and do not provide references. For instance, they claim that increasing committers speeds up development because they can bypass review and commit directly to the project repository. In a number of OSS projects, this is incorrect. Most OSS projects, still review and discuss almost all changes even if they are made by core developers. Rigby's paper has an in-depth discussion of this phenomenon. The authors also claim that normally, a developer is selected as a committer through nomination as a result of admirable contributions. This is correct, but a reference should be cited. One prime example of a good supporting reference would be Nicholas Duchenaut's ethnograhic study of the python project. The authors say that it has not been easy to elect an appropriate deveoper as a committer from a number of developers. Is this true? What evidence is this based on? If this is an informed guess, then the author's should state that. The fifth paragraph of section 6 includes a claim that NPR, NPR, PRT, and PET have to be evaluated to select a committer depending on the state of the project and/or product properties. Why? The author's have shown that there is a difference between the two, but they have not examined anything about how committers are selected. In the sixth paragraph, the authors claim that the restricted number of committers is unique to PostgreSQL as opposed to other projects. I've seen many projects that limit committers. There is no reference given or even examples of projects that don't restrict committers. I *LOVED* figure 1. This is a wonderful depiction of the patch submission and review process and the terms used in the paper. Good job. The only thing I'd add is the acronyms PRT and PET since they are depicted and used in the paper, but do not appear on the figure. The data collection is short on details. How were the patches collected? In my experience, I've found that sometimes patches are attached to messages and sometimes inlined in the text of a message. Did the authors get both types of patches? Did they use heuristics? How was this done. The authors also only selected developers who had reviewed or edited patches at least 5 times. I can imagine why, but it would be useful to *explain* to the reader why this was done and why the number 5 was chosen as the threshold. In section 5.2.3, the committers are classified using "criteria". As a reader, I am left only to speculate what that criteria is. This needs to be explained. The term criteria is mysteriously also used in the third paragraph of section 6. What does it mean in this context? I applaud the use of the Mann-Whitney test for examining the data. A t-test would be inappropriate because it is clearly right skewed. However, the author's should both explain why they used that test and also give a reference so that those readers less familiar with non-parametric statistics can understand what is going on. I found the results in section 5 to be interesting, but their presentation suffered some problems. The four paragraphs in section 5.2.1 are simply copies of each other with names and numbers changed. That's not useful, and almost disrespectful to the reader. I rarely harp on the writing itself unless it is unclear, but I feel that in this case, the authors should be more concise and possibly discuss the implications of each result. A simple table could present the data in those paragraphs more succinctly in be more easy to reference. Lastly, the authors claim that the analysis in this paper was performed to improve the patch review process in OSS. They haven't shown how their results improve this process. From the results, we know some more about the relationship of timing in subsmission and review with roles within the project. I would stay away from making bold claims without the evidence to back them up. The major flaws of unsubstantiated claims, important missed related work, missing important details, and the minor flaw of some presentation issues need to be addressed before this paper is accepted for publication. ---------------------------- REVIEW 2 -------------------------- - Reviewer 2 The paper presents a study of the patch review process in PostgreSQL. More specifically, it compares the characteristics of committers and non-committers with respect to time it take to review patches, revise patches, and number of reviews per month. The findings are interesting and the novelty is fine for a workshop. The paper could be improved by better relating to other work on patch review (for example by Peter Rigby and colleagues, ICSE 2008, Technical Reports, etc.). To some extent the findings also reflect that most OSS has a small core team, which drives the development and takes contributions from outside. Abstract: Write "number of patch reviews" instead of "NPR" Introduction: The authors write "In general, the modifications to fix existing bugs are carried out as follows". However, there many unique ways to fix bugs and even in open-source I would argue that there is no general way. Section 2: Do all emails about patches get responses? (This is also relevant for the analysis in Section 4.) Section 5.2.3, last paragraph: The paper writes by observing Figure 6 that "Therefore almost [all] committers tend to review and edit patches more than non-committers". Maybe I misunderstood something, but isn't this in contrast to Figure 4, which shows more reviews/edits for non-committers? ---------------------------- REVIEW 3 -------------------------- - Reviewer 3 This paper studies the differences between committer and non-committer in open-source software development. It provides a case study of ProgreSQL for finding the differences based on times and frequencies for reviewing and editing patches. Overall, I liked the idea and it has the potential to be of a great value for OSS developers. However, the setup of the case study weakens the work presented in this paper. I have some points: The authors state one of the motivations for clarifying the differences between committers and non-committers is for supporting the nomination of new committers. However, as also mentioned by the authors, the role of committers and non-committers is different; the differences may be resulted from the roles themselves. This fact becomes stronger for projects having superreviewers (the 2nd-round reviewers). To be more precise this, I think the data of non-committers should be compared with ones of committers _before_ they were promoted to committer. I want it will conclude the same; the work of committers is also great when they didn't have the commit permission. Nevertheless, clarifications are important. The explanation of the patch review process in Section 2 lacks the generality of the process. Of course, it fits some OSS projects including PostgreSQL. But I can easily imagine some possible variability such as: superreviews, testing or reproductions of bugs by developers/users, rejections, and of course, deep discussions. The author should discuss which tasks are important for their aim and the build the process model. Minor points: --- The definitions of committer and non-committer are redundant. * 備考・その他 [#pc140a03] #comment
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